Stallion WordPress Theme Featured Image and Auto Thumbnails

David Law : AKA SEO Dave, Search Engine Optimization Consultant at SEO Gold Services, Internet Marketer, Developer of the Best WordPress SEO Theme and Nice Guy :-) This is an example of the Stallion WordPress SEO Themes author biography box, everything within this box is built into the Stallion theme.

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Erik
Comment on Stallion WordPress Theme Featured Image and Auto Thumbnails (January 25th, 2012 at 11:47)

WP Image URL links and SEO
Hi Dave,

Not sure if this is the right section but it seems the closest to what I’m looking for. I have a question about WordPress image linking. When you upload a photo in the WP post control panel, you are given the option to either “Link URL”, “Post URL”, or “None”.

Do you have an idea of which is best from an SEO standpoint? I’ve never paid much attention to this feature. I’ve seen it done all three ways and looking at some of your sites, it seems you are using the “None” option(?), where images are unclickable.

The reason I’m concerned is that my WP has been automatically set to “Post URL”, which I now realize has been essentially creating a separate page for each image.

Basically it creates a new page with only the text “This is an image of (image-name)”. When users click any image on my site it takes them to a pretty-much empty page with just the above text and image + the static portions of the site layout (blog title, sidebars, ads etc.) But that’s it.

Since I have over 2,000 images on my site, that is a lot of pages it has created. I’ve heard Google doesn’t like “light”, low-original-content pages, and I fear I may be hurting my SEO by having the image links structured in this format.

Here are a couple examples of what I am talking about:

http://amishamerica.com/amish-shoe-repair/amish-shoe-repair/

http://amishamerica.com/old-schoolhouses/brick-amish-school/

Do you have any sense of how this might affect SEO? I also wondered if this linking structure, essentially linking to each image on a separate page may also be simply sucking Google juice away from good pages and wasting it on essentially blank image pages. Thanks for any thoughts you might have.

BTW, it’s been a while since I checked in over here but looks like you’ve been busy! Thanks for all the great work you’ve been doing to help us get the most out of Stallion.

Erik

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- Erik
  Comment on Stallion WordPress Theme Featured Image and Auto Thumbnails (January 28th, 2012 at 12:18)
  
  WP Image attachment redirect solution?
  Sorry to jump back on the topic, but just to follow up I’ve been digging for a little more info. I don’t know a lot SEO-wise but I guess logic would dictate that links from every post to a bunch of image pages with practically no content would not be good for SEO.
  
  I have also found the same stated on some other sites and have seen a couple of solutions suggested. One is the following simple-seeming redirect solution via an image.php file:
  
  Disable Image Attachment Page Links via a Redirect to Parent
  
  Create a new file named image.php on your desktop
  Open image.php with a text editor, and paste the following into it
  
  <?php wp_redirect(get_permalink($post->post_parent)); ?>
  
  Using an FTP client, navigate to your theme folder (wp-content/themes/themename)
  Copy the image.php file from your desktop into your theme folder
  
  (found here: http://www.lancelhoff.com/wordpress-disable-image-attachment-page-links/)
  
  I have also read that simply redirecting image attachments back to the parent page via a plugin will also do the trick. I know there are some plugins that handle attachment redirection like Robots Meta but I think you don’t recommend using that one. I tested Robots Meta and it does seem to work, but I’d rather follow the lightest most SEO-friendly solution, especially since I’ve got a couple thousand of these image pages floating around out there.
  
  I am running the Stallion WordPress SEO plugin but don’t see a section that handles images. I thought maybe Stallion has a built-in way to handle this that I’m not aware of. Maybe you know the best way to handle this in terms of SEO?
  
  Anyway, I hope I am right in assuming that this arrangement can hurt you in Google (recently I think my search traffic got dinged a bit by a Panda update–the first time ever for me I believe–so wondering if this isn’t the reason).
  
  Like I said, I had “Post URL” set as the default WP setting and every image I loaded was getting its own image page (WordPress seems to remember the last image url upload setting you were using and applies it to all the following image uploads unless changed).
  
  I wonder if I am the only one, but I imagine that there are others that might not be paying attention to this setting and being similarly impacted via the creation of unnecessary image attachment pages.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Erik
  
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- WordPress SEO Theme Author
  Comment on Stallion WordPress Theme Featured Image and Auto Thumbnails (January 28th, 2012 at 21:34)
  
  WordPress Image Search Engine Optimization
  When I started using WordPress the image code generated by WordPress was broken, used to miss out the end /A tag and didn’t add alt text, so I didn’t use the WordPress uploader, I’d upload images via FTP and create the code manually.
  
  Doing this gave me full control over how the images are generated etc… but as WordPress has added new features related to images they don’t work as well with manually uploaded images. For example I’m working on a favicon built in plugin for Stallion that currently has about 400 built in favicons and has the option to upload your own images from your PC and a URL. Want to add the ability to link into the WordPress media uploader and have added a new image size to Stallion of 16px by 16px (size of a favicon) which if I can get it to work will generate an image suitable as a favicon from all images uploaded via the WordPress media uploder while Stallion is active which can be selected by the favicon built in plugin so you could use any image uploaded using the WordPress media uploader as a favicon seamlessly (stuck on this bit). If I get it to work my old manually updloaded images won’t generate 16px by 16px images, so won’t be able to use them with this feature, so I’m moving towards using the WordPress media uploader for future feature usage like this one.
  
  As you’ve noticed the current WordPress media uploader setup isn’t the best SEO setup as it adds a link to the image which could be argued is a waste of link benefit. You got this spot on:
  
  I guess logic would dictate that links from every post to a bunch of image pages with practically no content would not be good for SEO.
  
  When I use the WordPress media uploader I set the image not to link to the attachment form of the image or to the image, I have it set to None.
  
  I also make sure all images have alt text (alt=”"), WordPress by default uses the filename as the title attribute (title=”") of the link, but this has no SEO value.
  
  Ignoring where the image is located on the server (normally under /wp-content/uploads/ which has no SEO value) the first important SEO factor is naming your images. Try to use relevant keywords seperated by hyphens-
  
  relevant-keywords-here.jpg
  
  WordPress will automatically generate the title attribute as-
  
  relevant-keywords-here
  
  I change it to this manually-
  
  Relevant Keywords Here
  
  and copy it to the Alternate Text area.
  
  Unless you need a caption and description for the posts leave them black.
  
  Select “None” for Link URL the remaining settings have no SEO value either way.
  
  that’s as much SEO as you can get from images out of WordPress.
  
  If you’ve got loads of images and haven’t followed the alt text advise above you can use a plugin called SEO Friendly Images http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/seo-image/ which can be set to add a alt attribute to all images. For the autobloggers amongst us this is a must use plugin IMHO.
  
  Regarding the image redirection code/plugin I’d not looked into it, when I get the other features I’m working on finished I’ll take a look see if there’s anything worth adding to Stallion etc…
  
  David
  
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  - Erik
    Comment on Stallion WordPress Theme Featured Image and Auto Thumbnails (January 29th, 2012 at 12:03)
    
    Google and image redirect SEO
    Thanks Dave. I went ahead and did the image.php redirect solution detailed above as it seemed the simplest (I did not want to add another plugin). It seems to be working fine.
    
    I haven’t found an easy way to simply remove those attachment links (WordPress doesn’t seem to provide any way to switch attachment settings on an image–ie from a “Post URL” setting to “File URL” or “None” as you have it–on either individual images or in bulk form. And I haven’t found a plugin that does it either). So in lieu of any other solutions I hope this image redirect provides the same practical SEO effect as having image attachments set to “None”, or at least will reduce damage done by linking to those practically empty image pages.
    
    I am wondering, though, if by using this redirect solution those image attachment pages in fact still exist on “Google’s radar”, perhaps still having a negative effect? I guess I don’t totally understand the nature of redirect and how Google would view pages that have a redirect applied to them. Do they ignore them, or would these low-content pages “dilute” the overall average quality of pages on my site, continuing to cause damage to SEO? Maybe I need to find a way to completely eliminate these image attachment pages if possible.
    
    Thanks for the thoughts on alt tags, I had basically been doing the same (removing hyphens and copying title attribute keywords to the alt text) but have usually not been capitalizing each word. That is a good idea though. It seems the main benefit of that is that it is more attractive when appearing in text snippets in the SERPs (“Amish Buggies Ohio” in your snippet just looks better than “amish buggies ohio”).
    
    As always your response was helpful and much appreciated.
    
    Erik
    
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    - WordPress SEO Theme Author
      Comment on Stallion WordPress Theme Featured Image and Auto Thumbnails (January 29th, 2012 at 13:10)
      
      The SEO Cost/Benefit of 301 Permanent Redirects
      The SEO solution to a page that’s been deleted/moved is to setup a 301 redirect as you have setup.
      
      A 301 redirect does redirect the link benefit that passes through the links to the 301 redirected pages, so the SEO benefit is the link benefit is recovered.
      
      The SEO cost is a small amount of the link benefit (a dampening factor), I don’t know how much since Google doesn’t publish that sort of information, but they have indicated there’s a cost and why.
      
      The reason for the cost is to remove any potential SEO benefit in chains of 301 redirects where page A redirects to page B which redirects to page C… I’ve not researched what the potential SEO benefit of a 301 redirect link chain could have, but it must have a potential blackhat SEO value** otherwise Google wouldn’t need to put a dampening factor on 301 redirects.
      
      ** As I wrote the above the blackhat SEO value of the above was obvious. Take 1,000,000 pages (they don’t have to exist) and redirect them in a massive 1,000,000 page 301 redirect chain. Every page generates a very small amount of intrinsic PR/link benefit, the amount is tiny, but have enough pages and the PR builds up. A setup like this would potentially be like having 1,000,000 links from indexed pages!!!
      
      A best case scenario is the dampening factor deletes the PR/link benefit of the intrinsic value of a link from a page (this amount is irrelevant) so the 1,000,000 example above would be no better/worse than a 1 page redirect. More likely Google treats a 301 like a standard link which when Google’s founders developed the PageRank formula set the dampening factor at 15%. It’s probably not 15% today, but it won’t be much off 15%. If the dampening factor of a 301 redirect is the same as the dampening factor of a link assume you loose 15% of the link benefit by adding a 301 redirect, for the 1,000,000 page 301 redirect chain example it would be worthless.
      
      I work on the assumption Google treats a 301 redirect as a link and the dampening factor is around 15%.
      
      For your situation the best solution is to setup the 301 redirect script as you have done which recovers 85% of the PR/link benefit and long term find a solution to remove the attachment links, as you remove them you’ll recover the remaining 15%. I will add since these are deep links that will pass very little link benefit I wouldn’t loose too much sleep over this. If you have thousands of them it’s still not going to be that costly as for most WordPress sites there’s 100 links on every page, so each one of these attachments links uses 1% of the pages PR, you’ve recovered 0.85% with the 301 redirect so for your average WordPress page it’s wasting 0.15% of it’s PR. The sitewide link to your Privacy policy which has no SEO value (unlikely to rank for anything) is using 1% of your sites PR/link benefit (enough PR to generate a PR2 page) assuming your average page has 100 links.
      
      Not a problem for you, but there is an SEO dilemma when dealing with 301 redirects from other sites. If you change a domain or page the general webmaster advice is setup a 301 redirect AND contact webmasters who link to your site/page and ask them to change the link. Sounds like a good idea, makes even more sense after learning Google adds a dampening factor to 301s right.
      
      Unfortunately it’s not that straightforward, links from external sites (links not from the same domain) do not pass full SEO benefit from day one, it’s been called the Google sandbox which is far from the best name for this SEO link benefit time based dampening factor. Add a link today and it will pass full PR as seen on the Google ToolBar PR meter and other ways to check PageRank, but the full SEO benefit from a link is not passed for around a year! This is why old sites with a fair number of links rank far better than new sites with even more links, the new links aren’t passing full SEO benefit. Wait a year and full SEO benefit is passed.
      
      What happens with 301 redirects?
      
      When I’ve setup 301 redirects and not changed the original links the new site/pages quickly (within weeks) takes on the SERPs of the old site/pages (assuming you didn’t change the content too much), there might be small differences, but overall about the same SERPs. If you take the general webmaster advise of contacting the webmasters who own the links to your moved site and have them change the URL you in effect reset the one year full link benefit count which is far more costly than loosing the 301 redirect dampening factor!
      
      This is not an issue for internal links, a link from the same domain passes full benefit pretty much immediately.
      
      Fun to ponder
      
      David
      
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      - Erik
        Comment on Stallion WordPress Theme Featured Image and Auto Thumbnails (January 31st, 2012 at 03:51)
        
        301 redirects optimization
        Dave thanks for this excellent answer.
        
        What I gather after reading your response is that from an SEO standpoint even this 301 redirect situation affecting a couple thousand site wide links isn’t dealing with that much PR impact to begin with.
        
        But I guess it is good to do anyway from what you write, and I will keep an eye out for a way to eventually eliminate those image links in a (hopefully) relatively painless manner (needless to say I have set the WP uploader image attachment to “None” for all future photo uploads!).
        
        But perhaps the bigger benefit concerns the accumulation of those low-content image pages and being seen as a content farm.
        
        If my site has 10,000 pages indexed, and 2,000 are these low quality image attachment pages, that seems like it is a pretty significant chunk. Or maybe I am wrong and that % of weak pages is not so negative in Google’s view.
        
        I am hoping this 301 redirect solution will positively impact that situation (?), but I guess I don’t completely understand this aspect either–ie, whether the sheer existence of these image pages (even with the 301 redirect on them) will still cause Google to view me as having a lot of low-quality, low-content pages associated with my site, and possibly getting me a penalty as a result. Hmm.
        
        I also found your comments on external 301 redirects relevant. I moved my domain 2 years ago and still have a redirect set up from that original domain. I am still not sure whether I should leave this redirect up in perpetuity or someday shut down the original domain. Another thing to ponder I guess!
        
        Thanks again,
        
        Erik
        
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